First post on here. After reading this thread I checked the ingredient list on my daily multi vitamin and it contains saw palmetto extract, pumpkin seed extract, and zinc. All of which are supposed DHT blockers. Should I discontinue usiing this multi?The amounts in a multi aren't likely to be in high enough concentrations. I'd say it's fine overall, I'd just keep taking them until they're out. Possibly pick up a different one next time if you're worried about it.
Thank you @Cemmos for the list of DHT blockers. I was cruising the articles and read the PSA on DHT blocker products and it scared me because I'm a first time grower and this is the first I've heard of that, so glad that I came across it on here. Something else that might be helpful for us bumbling first-timers is maybe a list of companies that have neglected the proper research on beard oils and DHT blockers as ingredients. Nothing derogatory against the companies, obviously, but just a list of the ones that are known for these ingredients on their products.This was something I was contemplating at one point, but decided against it.
Most, if not all, beard oils out there will have some form of potential 5AR inhibitor, so the best thing to do would be to just opt for the ones with the least amount of the more potent ones (from the incomplete list on the first post). The ingredient labels will be organized by the largest quantity to the smallest.
It's actually pretty hard to find any natural oil or beard oil that doesn't have some sort of anti-androgen in its composition. It kind of comes down to risk vs reward: are you willing to put a [potential] deterrent onto your face, or do you want the [potential] benefits of that oil?
Since everyone's different, there's really no way of saying how much any one beard oil is impacting an individual's beard.
I personally tend to use stuff even with "potential" DHT blockers in them because I like the ritual of applying oils and product to my beard. I haven't found any that have absolutely no DHT blocking potential aside from really simple mixtures like jojoba with an essential oil or two in it.
So emu oil has moderate impact of inhibition of DHT, but it also does similar things as Castor oil: activating hair follicles. would it be wrong to mix JBCO and Emu oil with with peppermint essential oil? or would it be better to just use JBCO for the beard and then use the above mixture for scalp?
also, whats the difference between JBCO and regular cold pressed castor oil? which is better for hair growth?
Cemmos, can you validate this? https://redskitchensink.com/...-naturally-block-dht
It says that watermelon, carrots, mangoes, spinach, apple juice, and orange juice are apparently DHT inhibitors. Is that true? So I can't enjoy any fruits and vegetables without negating my minoxidil beard use? Some of the other foods they listed make sense like soy or pumpkin seed, but fruits and veggies? And biotin?
Though they didn't list any resources to back up these claims.
What do you think of this site's claim that olive oil inhibits DHT (he used studies)?
http://anabolicapex.com/2016/03/05/natural-dht-blockers/
Apparently it is beta-sitosterol's fault as it is high in olive oil. I noticed that Saw Palmetto is also high in beta-sitosterol and its DHT inhibitory effect is linked to its beta-sitosterol content.
Thank you!
Hey Cemmos.
What do you think of this site's claim that olive oil inhibits DHT (he used studies)?
http://anabolicapex.com/2016/03/05/natural-dht-blockers/
Apparently it is beta-sitosterol's fault as it is high in olive oil. I noticed that Saw Palmetto is also high in beta-sitosterol and its DHT inhibitory effect is linked to its beta-sitosterol content.
Thank you!
Hey Cemmos.
What do you think of this site's claim that olive oil inhibits DHT (he used studies)?
http://anabolicapex.com/2016/03/05/natural-dht-blockers/
Apparently it is beta-sitosterol's fault as it is high in olive oil. I noticed that Saw Palmetto is also high in beta-sitosterol and its DHT inhibitory effect is linked to its beta-sitosterol content.
Thank you!
Yes, the info on that site is legitimate from what I've seen before. Although one thing to note is that, in the studies, they generally use an amount that we normally don't eat through our regular diets. On top of that, they add in constituents that help with systemic absorption.
Eating something cooked in olive oil, for instance, may not have the same affect on 5AR that these oral dosages in the studies have. I say may because we technically don't know, but it's the line of thought that I normally use when it comes to these things.
Would it be possible to tell me how much the used amount was?
Are there oils that actually increase DHT? It would be amazing to be not in vain whether one oil inhibits DHT or not. We also can't conclude it does not if there aren't any studies. I am in search of such a oil to create my own beard wax. It's crazy how much plant based oils inhibit DHT.
I'm no scientist, but one alternative I just thought of is that when websites say a certain food or ingredient is a DHT blocker/inhibitor, they could sometimes just mean to say that it's good for your scalp hair, not necessarily that it's bad for your androgenic hair.It would depend on the person specifically on how much it affects them, but anti-androgens are never good for body hair. They're also used for women with hirsutism (facial hair growth like men). By reducing the activity of the 5AR enzyme, the follicle would not receive the required androgens to grow.
But that's just my guess.
I'm no scientist, but one alternative I just thought of is that when websites say a certain food or ingredient is a DHT blocker/inhibitor, they could sometimes just mean to say that it's good for your scalp hair, not necessarily that it's bad for your androgenic hair.It would depend on the person specifically on how much it affects them, but anti-androgens are never good for body hair. They're also used for women with hirsutism (facial hair growth like men). By reducing the activity of the 5AR enzyme, the follicle would not receive the required androgens to grow.
But that's just my guess.
While it's not quite so dire, the thought is more along the lines of doing what's best for one's beard. I'm of the belief (and learning) that anti-androgens are never good for our facial hair, and should just be avoided. Since technically we can use other things, rather than use proven DHT blockers for virtually no reason other than to moisturize. Because we also know that many of these potent oils don't actually provide any benefit beyond moisturizing.