List of Ingredients with DHT Blockers at Beard Profile Forum

griffin65 Nov 5 '16

First post on here. After reading this thread I checked the ingredient list on my daily multi vitamin and it contains saw palmetto extract, pumpkin seed extract, and zinc. All of which are supposed DHT blockers. Should I discontinue usiing this multi?

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Cemmos Nov 5 '16

Quote from griffin65 First post on here. After reading this thread I checked the ingredient list on my daily multi vitamin and it contains saw palmetto extract, pumpkin seed extract, and zinc. All of which are supposed DHT blockers. Should I discontinue usiing this multi?

The amounts in a multi aren't likely to be in high enough concentrations. I'd say it's fine overall, I'd just keep taking them until they're out. Possibly pick up a different one next time if you're worried about it.

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griffin65 Nov 5 '16

Thanks I really appreciate the fast reply. Here is a picture of the multi in question. After seeing the ingredients would you still continue use.

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Cemmos Nov 5 '16

Yeah, that's fine, 50mg split between all of those is a really small amount. DHT will be perfectly fine.

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griffin65 Nov 5 '16

Thank you again. I appreciate the help. Great forum btw

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wiwicks Nov 14 '16

Thank you @Cemmos for the list of DHT blockers. I was cruising the articles and read the PSA on DHT blocker products and it scared me because I'm a first time grower and this is the first I've heard of that, so glad that I came across it on here. Something else that might be helpful for us bumbling first-timers is maybe a list of companies that have neglected the proper research on beard oils and DHT blockers as ingredients. Nothing derogatory against the companies, obviously, but just a list of the ones that are known for these ingredients on their products.

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Cemmos Nov 14 '16

Quote from wiwicks Thank you @Cemmos for the list of DHT blockers. I was cruising the articles and read the PSA on DHT blocker products and it scared me because I'm a first time grower and this is the first I've heard of that, so glad that I came across it on here. Something else that might be helpful for us bumbling first-timers is maybe a list of companies that have neglected the proper research on beard oils and DHT blockers as ingredients. Nothing derogatory against the companies, obviously, but just a list of the ones that are known for these ingredients on their products.

This was something I was contemplating at one point, but decided against it.

Most, if not all, beard oils out there will have some form of potential 5AR inhibitor, so the best thing to do would be to just opt for the ones with the least amount of the more potent ones (from the incomplete list on the first post). The ingredient labels will be organized by the largest quantity to the smallest.

It's actually pretty hard to find any natural oil or beard oil that doesn't have some sort of anti-androgen in its composition. It kind of comes down to risk vs reward: are you willing to put a [potential] deterrent onto your face, or do you want the [potential] benefits of that oil?

Since everyone's different, there's really no way of saying how much any one beard oil is impacting an individual's beard.

I personally tend to use stuff even with "potential" DHT blockers in them because I like the ritual of applying oils and product to my beard. I haven't found any that have absolutely no DHT blocking potential aside from really simple mixtures like jojoba with an essential oil or two in it.

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Thhd Jul 17 '17

Thanks Cemmos for the great help you give us. Can you tell if the argan carrier and the essential bergamot and cedar are dht blockers?

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STS1024 Oct 13 '17

Hey guys I'm new to the forum. I just started using a product called "Jamaican Mango & Lime Pure Jamaican Black Castor Oil" but the ingredients also contain soybean oil, carrot oil, and grapeseed oil. Do you think the soy and grapeseed will prevent the Castor Oil from doing its job?

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blazerd123 Oct 16 '17

So emu oil has moderate impact of inhibition of DHT, but it also does similar things as Castor oil: activating hair follicles. would it be wrong to mix JBCO and Emu oil with with peppermint essential oil? or would it be better to just use JBCO for the beard and then use the above mixture for scalp?

also, whats the difference between JBCO and regular cold pressed castor oil? which is better for hair growth?

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AngryBeardCompany Oct 16 '17

I don't have enough experience with Emu oil to comment on its benefits, as to how it stacks up against Castor. @Cemmos probably has some experience with it. I cant imagine the impact would be substantially different though. JBCO vs Cold pressed is a matter of heat. Heat is applied to JBCO so naturally you will lose some of the beneficial properties as with any oil. Cold pressed will retain all of its properties simply because heat wasn't applied. JBCO is good, Cold pressed is better.

Quote from blazerd123 So emu oil has moderate impact of inhibition of DHT, but it also does similar things as Castor oil: activating hair follicles. would it be wrong to mix JBCO and Emu oil with with peppermint essential oil? or would it be better to just use JBCO for the beard and then use the above mixture for scalp?

also, whats the difference between JBCO and regular cold pressed castor oil? which is better for hair growth?

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DrewBT Dec 30 '17

Cemmos, can you validate this? https://redskitchensink.com/...-naturally-block-dht

It says that watermelon, carrots, mangoes, spinach, apple juice, and orange juice are apparently DHT inhibitors. Is that true? So I can't enjoy any fruits and vegetables without negating my minoxidil beard use? Some of the other foods they listed make sense like soy or pumpkin seed, but fruits and veggies? And biotin?
Though they didn't list any resources to back up these claims.

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Cemmos Dec 31 '17

Quote from DrewBT Cemmos, can you validate this? https://redskitchensink.com/...-naturally-block-dht

It says that watermelon, carrots, mangoes, spinach, apple juice, and orange juice are apparently DHT inhibitors. Is that true? So I can't enjoy any fruits and vegetables without negating my minoxidil beard use? Some of the other foods they listed make sense like soy or pumpkin seed, but fruits and veggies? And biotin?
Though they didn't list any resources to back up these claims.

I definitely wouldn't worry about it, especially with lack of sources. A lot of the time, websites will use keywords in their articles/writing so that they can get favorable positions on search engines like Google. Gaming the system like that is common among sites because they receive more traffic by doing so. And with more traffic, depending on how they're monetizing their site, equals more money.

Of course, not everyone does shady stuff like that and are simply repeating information that they believe to be true, without sourcing it. That's particularly common among accepted myths like "pores can open and close."

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EmperorTigris Jan 1 '18

Hey Cemmos.

What do you think of this site's claim that olive oil inhibits DHT (he used studies)?

http://anabolicapex.com/2016/03/05/natural-dht-blockers/

Apparently it is beta-sitosterol's fault as it is high in olive oil. I noticed that Saw Palmetto is also high in beta-sitosterol and its DHT inhibitory effect is linked to its beta-sitosterol content.

Thank you!

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Cemmos Jan 1 '18

Quote from EmperorTigris Hey Cemmos.

What do you think of this site's claim that olive oil inhibits DHT (he used studies)?

http://anabolicapex.com/2016/03/05/natural-dht-blockers/

Apparently it is beta-sitosterol's fault as it is high in olive oil. I noticed that Saw Palmetto is also high in beta-sitosterol and its DHT inhibitory effect is linked to its beta-sitosterol content.

Thank you!

Yes, the info on that site is legitimate from what I've seen before. Although one thing to note is that, in the studies, they generally use an amount that we normally don't eat through our regular diets. On top of that, they add in constituents that help with systemic absorption.

Eating something cooked in olive oil, for instance, may not have the same affect on 5AR that these oral dosages in the studies have. I say may because we technically don't know, but it's the line of thought that I normally use when it comes to these things.

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EmperorTigris Jan 10 '18

Quote from Cemmos

Quote from EmperorTigris Hey Cemmos.

What do you think of this site's claim that olive oil inhibits DHT (he used studies)?

http://anabolicapex.com/2016/03/05/natural-dht-blockers/

Apparently it is beta-sitosterol's fault as it is high in olive oil. I noticed that Saw Palmetto is also high in beta-sitosterol and its DHT inhibitory effect is linked to its beta-sitosterol content.

Thank you!

Yes, the info on that site is legitimate from what I've seen before. Although one thing to note is that, in the studies, they generally use an amount that we normally don't eat through our regular diets. On top of that, they add in constituents that help with systemic absorption.

Eating something cooked in olive oil, for instance, may not have the same affect on 5AR that these oral dosages in the studies have. I say may because we technically don't know, but it's the line of thought that I normally use when it comes to these things.

Thanks for the quick reply.

Would it be possible to tell me how much the used amount was?

Are there oils that actually increase DHT? It would be amazing to be not in vain whether one oil inhibits DHT or not. We also can't conclude it does not if there aren't any studies. I am in search of such a oil to create my own beard wax. It's crazy how much plant based oils inhibit DHT.

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Cemmos Jan 10 '18

There is a list of oils (not inclusive) here: https://www.beardwiki.com/dht#known-dht-blockers

Fatty acids such as oleic have been shown to be anti-androgenic, although how much it may affect an individual is impossible to say. I think the best route is just to find things that have the least amount of potential inhibitors, and overall I wouldn't worry about it too much.

As for things that may increase 5AR activity, I'm unsure if any oils do that, but other types of supplements do. One example is L-Carnitine L-Tartrate, which has been shown to increase androgen receptor sensitivity, which allows for better utilization of androgens. I've seen L-Carnitine in some products, although not any beard products that I know of.

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DrewBT Jan 10 '18

I'm no scientist, but one alternative I just thought of is that when websites say a certain food or ingredient is a DHT blocker/inhibitor, they could sometimes just mean to say that it's good for your scalp hair, not necessarily that it's bad for your androgenic hair.

But that's just my guess.

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Cemmos Jan 10 '18

Quote from DrewBT I'm no scientist, but one alternative I just thought of is that when websites say a certain food or ingredient is a DHT blocker/inhibitor, they could sometimes just mean to say that it's good for your scalp hair, not necessarily that it's bad for your androgenic hair.

But that's just my guess.

It would depend on the person specifically on how much it affects them, but anti-androgens are never good for body hair. They're also used for women with hirsutism (facial hair growth like men). By reducing the activity of the 5AR enzyme, the follicle would not receive the required androgens to grow.

While it's not quite so dire, the thought is more along the lines of doing what's best for one's beard. I'm of the belief (and learning) that anti-androgens are never good for our facial hair, and should just be avoided. Since technically we can use other things, rather than use proven DHT blockers for virtually no reason other than to moisturize. Because we also know that many of these potent oils don't actually provide any benefit beyond moisturizing.

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DrewBT Jan 15 '18

Quote from Cemmos

Quote from DrewBT I'm no scientist, but one alternative I just thought of is that when websites say a certain food or ingredient is a DHT blocker/inhibitor, they could sometimes just mean to say that it's good for your scalp hair, not necessarily that it's bad for your androgenic hair.

But that's just my guess.

It would depend on the person specifically on how much it affects them, but anti-androgens are never good for body hair. They're also used for women with hirsutism (facial hair growth like men). By reducing the activity of the 5AR enzyme, the follicle would not receive the required androgens to grow.

While it's not quite so dire, the thought is more along the lines of doing what's best for one's beard. I'm of the belief (and learning) that anti-androgens are never good for our facial hair, and should just be avoided. Since technically we can use other things, rather than use proven DHT blockers for virtually no reason other than to moisturize. Because we also know that many of these potent oils don't actually provide any benefit beyond moisturizing.

Agreed for the most part, I just think here and there that the term "DHT inhibitor" has kind of lost its meaning considering that more men suffer from too much of it through balding, way more than men who suffer from too little of it, ie: us with little facial hair. Therefore, most men want to use vitamins or foods that is good for scalp hair, so websites just anecdotally call certain foods DHT inhibitors as to say that they're good for hair, such as that website I showed you that said spinach is a DHT blocker. lol

By the way, it seems like zinc in high doses is a known DHT blocker according to Beardology, would 30 mg be high enough to interfere with DHT? I'm trying to order this Pre Bulk supplement that has 30mg of zinc in it. If so, I can just look for something else.

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